had this message at the park. >> nobody is going to do this. >> megyn: right on. thanks for watching. >> neil: following up a lot of developments in a couple of hours here. i'm neil cavuto. you are looking at your world, special live saturday edition. we are following up on fast moving events. here is what we know right now. charges in the boston bombing case. justice department is going ahead. the state of massachusetts could be filing murder charges of its own. all of that could come at any moment, as well. mccain and graham says the injured suspect is not entitled to his miranda rights. they want him to be treated as

an enemy combatant. it's a non-debate for him. the mother-in-law she is sickened by the horror inflicted. the family realizes now they never really new tamerian tsarnaev, the suspect number one and cannot begin to comprehend this tragedy. we are all over the developments including something going on in the city of chicago. more on that in a second. here is what we got for you now. mike tobin in watertown, massachusetts. what is the latest on the investigation there. ed henry at the white house responding to all these crosscurrents everywhere. to eric shawn where the injured suspect remains not surprisingly under heavy guard. mike? >> reporter: neil, this is the i dill i can neighborhood where it came to an end in a blaze of gunfire.

the view of the helicopter pilot had there was someone hiding in that boat. he was wounded and bleeding, dzhokar tsarnaev half an hour from the cover of night that could have allowed him to move again. there were federal agents and guns drawn and at the ready to create a scene that people in this neighborhood would like to never see again. >> about 25 police cars came screeching down the road on franklin street and stopped at the bend in the road. within seconds, another 50 cars came. that was followed by swat trucks and armored vehicles. obviously something was going on. >> reporter: once that shelter in place order was lifted, a lot of people were not comfortable coming back out in the neighborhood they had cabin fever. they got out and they were tenacious, they saw a hiding

place everywhere they were looking. now that the threat is gone, they are looking around the scene and taking pictures, happy that at this stage of the game it's all over. >> neil: thank you very much. to mike's pointed imagine being in the middle of all of this. take a look. [ gun shots ] [ gun shots ] >> neil: that is not of an everyday neighborhood event. imagine being in the middle of that. the video has gone viral on the web. he is joining me from watertown and believe up and ready. very good to have you. what was going through your mind while that was going on? >> well, there was a lot going through my mind. phones were ringing and people were texting.

my nephew was living with me and worried about my own safety and his safety and helicopters overhead and cars coming through the neighborhood and police in the yard. there was lost commotion at the time. >> neil: did you know or obviously you must have sensed that they were closing in on suspect number two, right? >> yes. it was very real. it was happening fast. it was obvious that the number of personnel who came down the street, number of vehicles, that something was happening. we've been sitting around waiting all day like everybody else glued to the television. the focus seemed to be on another part of watertown and it came right down the street. my window looks right over the street. i happened to be in the right place at the right time and picked up the camera and

videotaping. >> neil: you've become a youtube sensation. what s is it like there today? >> today, it's great. it's a nicer day. bunch of my friends came and they are enjoying it and lots of neighbors are out. franklin street is still closed. there is crime investigation going on. i was able to get a bike ride. life is getting back to normal on franklin street here in watertown. >> neil: thank you very much. one of the first of the few to get all this on tape. it took a massive amount of manpower to bring this guy down. we have former police commissioner. this thing that brings on a massive response will be more necessary in the future. what do you think?

>> we have been saying for years unfortunately we have a pretty good handle on al-qaeda, we have a good handle on the organized groups, but it's the people like two individuals in boston who are radicalized fundamentalists who don't need a command and control that set them off. they believe they are on holy jihad. this are usually not on anyone's radar screen. >> neil: if they aren't and there are these types of cells potentially all over the country how do you guard against it? what do local authorities do? >> you have to have a good handle those that pose the most threats and in this case, unfortunately, islamic fundamentalists. police departments aroun the country and federal agencies have been concentrating on

islamic fundamentalists. these are the folks that you have to pay attention to. there is no guarantees. these are people, although there was some contact with the f.b.i. before came out of nowhere. >> there is something about what the authorities in boston knew about the older suspect number one and when they knew it. when the state department had been alerted there was something amiss with an individual that had drawn the attention of the russian government we're told. they interviewed him and federal authorities did. something happened either, they scrubbed him as itself term goes. i don't know whether they conveyed that to local authorities on the scene, but that was the end of it couple years ago. what would the procedure be normally? >> the procedure would be do an

evaluation a threat assessment of whether this individual is a potential threat and would be carrying out any kind of violence in the future. there are literally thousands of these interviews done every year. without any real indication, nobody has the resources to put these people under surveillance 24 hours a day. >> neil: you are right about that. >> unfortunately, that is problem here. there may have been an indication he was being radicalized but the truth is there are probably thounds of individuals in that capacity that will never do anything. >> neil: we'll see what happens. former police commissioner howard safir. i told you at the outset potentially from the justice department pending charges against the surviving bomber here, whether that rules out he will be treated as an enemy

combatant. rudy guliani was on earlier today it would be mistake not to be. public defenders are rushing to defend the suspected marathon bomber if that is the case. faith jenkins on how this could go down. is it given if the justice department is set to announce charges, by definition he will not be treated as an enemy combatant? >> that could change as time goes on, but my opinion he won't be treated as an enemy combatant. i think the justice department will be prosecuted in federal court. there is no legal precedent that would say this young man who is an american citizen who committed a terrorist acted in boston on u.s. soil is now going to be taken out of the justice system and playing in order a military tribunal. there is no precedent for that. i don't think it's going to happen. >> neil: what if he had died and

older brother, like number one, had lived who was not a u.s. citizen. he had not gotten his citizenship as his younger brother had, what would have happened? >> i think this act was committed here on u.s. soil in boston. you have also the families and the victims who want to see justice done in this case they want to see this crime that was committed on u.s. soil prosecuted, i think the government has a tremendous interest in making sure and assuring that happens. i think he would still be prosecuted under the law in u.s. federal court. >> neil: as a citizen, he could use the legal system to his full advantage. public defenders are lining you will to do that and it could be mired in u.s. courts for longtime. and same thing sending these goo guys to gitmo, it takes long time for justice to be served.

>> look what happened to timothy mcveigh case, he is last person put to death under federal law. it's going to be a federal death penalty case. >> neil: what is the distinction that there is a foreign connection then? what is the difference that there is a clear foreign connection, a chechen connection. if there is? >> if there is, that is one of the reasons why they want to talk to this young man and why they are invoking this public safety exception and interrogate without reading his miranda warnings and advising him of his rights. >> neil: attorneysre trying to rush to represent him, they will try to barge into that hospital room and say don't talk to anybody? >> he is under heavy guar right now. they are already there. we really don't know the update on his condition. they have every right to do

that. i don't see the push to press charges, i don't understand the push for that. once he is taken to arraignment he will be assigned an attorney or possibly there could be hospital arraignment. he could be arraigned in his hospital bed. at that point, she going to be assigned an attorney. i don't understand the push to get him to arraigned this weekend. most defendants arrested on friday, they have to sit there over the weekend. this case is going to be very different. >> neil: when rudy guliani was mentioning, his basic take was. this you make exceptions for acts of terror on united states soil. i am paraphrasing this and whether born here or not. this is clearly an act of terror on u.s. soil and the benefit of being treated as an enemy combatant in terms of the u.s. you have many more liberties to

just let the guy stew and fry and force ultimately more out of him than you would in a restricted u.s. legal route. >> that may be the case, but i think this administration has said that they areot going to take u.s. citizen who has committed a terrorist act on u.s. soil and send him to military tribunal to try him. that is not what they want to do. >> neil: signal to you justice department is set to make aj announcement that they won't be treating him as an enemy combat and. >> i think he will be prosecuted in federal court. >> neil: faith jenkins, very good stee see you. this is from earlier today, president meeting with his top security and legal advisors on these developments sort of behind the scenes white house is strategizing and what the justice department will be

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starting to weigh all these important issues but dealing with what is now a reminder about the broader terror threat that the u.s. has faced all along but maybe it was not front and center as we talked about economic issues. this is reminder that the threat is out there. the president today and last night with this meeting today but with his remarks in the white house briefing room made it clear to turn the page on this chapter but also thank the law enforcement officials who did such brave work. take a listen. >> boston police and state police and local police across the common wealth of massachusetts responded with professionalism and bravery over five long days. tonight because of their determined efforts we closed an important chapter in this tragedy. >> reporter: now, on this question you mentioned about whether or not the suspect who lives will be named an enemy combatant, why significant, the government has decided not to

read him any miranda rights because of the so-called public safety exception. it says basically he mai know about month more plots and shouldn't be able to declare the right to remain silent so you should be able to question him when he comes through and able to talk. there are republicans like graham and mccain saying beyond that window of 48 hours or so where they could interview him, they should name him an enemy combatant, significance being you could have much longer interrogation. legally when you talk about this the downside could be some of the information gleaned in such a long interrogation could end up getting dismissed or could prejudice other parts of a civilian trial. these are all important legal questions the administration will be dealing with the days ahead. >> neil: any fears that the white house that this goes

bigger these two broser and could lead to terror cells, one military analyst as cockroaches everywhere. you don't appreciate? >> that they are being tight-lipped what the president is learning and what they are discusngbout the intelligence in terms of what other threats may be out there related to these two brothers. the bottom line is, the fact thate convened national security team for 90 minutes today to sort through all this and ft there was another residence that was searched. people were brought in questioning believed to be the girlfriend of the suspe suggest they are checking out other leads and concerned about those possibilities. >> neil: ed henry, he hasn't had any sleep this week. >> some fear there could be, well, more than just these two. maybe many more -- afterhi diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day

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>>. >> neil: welcome back everybody. this has nothing to doh developments in boston. i thought iwld pass this along. we are getting wind that f.b.i. has arrested a suburban chicago man on charges supporting terrorism overseas. it was an alleged attempt by an aurora, illinois man to join a jihadist militant group operating inside syria. the arrest was announced by a special agent in chigo office. that is all we know. he is 18 years old and he is a u.s. citizen but apparently links to supporting terrorism overseas. they stress no connection to the developments in boston. in this heightened environment

and detective, patted rosen, it's curious. >> it done straits what we have known all along. they hate us and want to kill us they just keep coming at you. >> neil: even though there is not apparent link apparently this guy and these two brothers. you would argue the other day you think there are these kinds of cells where the two, three, four, five people all over the place. >> absolutely. they are unified. they are unified t the extent they hate us. they are absolutely bent on killing us. >> neil: is it a group, one was a chechen connection. there their common theme is they hate us. by that theory, they are everywhere. >> they appear to be a lot more than we have thought. it's safe to assume that the

19-year-old, who forgot surveillance cameras existed and boxer the chip the size of the arizona on his shoulder didn't orchestrate this in vacuum. there are too many moving parts to it. >> neil: local authorities say they did but there is no evidence that point to wider participation? >> i disagree with the facts that i know. that trip, the is trip for six months to russia for a total of six months. during that time there was a seminole shift in his appearance and ideology. he changed completely. my sense and conviction. >> neil: and influenced his brother? >> who is highly influenceable by all counts. and there is seven years difference. >> neil: i want to get the sequence of events. it was shortly after they return

from chechnya that the younger brother started tweets or facebook -- i'm forgetting them -- but started complaining about the u.s. involve afghanistan and iraq. that is what they are link that go time line, correct? >> my sense and conviction there is hands in the dark, there is hands in the shadow. there is an architect who is guiding, possibly funding. telling secrets and part of a shadow conspiracy based in chechnya. >> didn't you say there were weapons involved but apparently there are lessons how you can do this. it's not out of the realm of possibility for crazy brothers to pull this off. >> there were clever elements to

the implementation to that. there were slick moves that you wouldn't get off of youtube that suggests there was outside influence. >> neil: do you think something like this could happen again? >> absolutely, absolutely, i hated to say it i would not be waving the banner and doing back flips in boston. what were the extra bombs for? they had extra bombs in the car. >> neil: a total of six explosive devices. >> it's bizarre, a lot of questions. >> neil: i want to go for a live look at the hospital where the suspect number two right now is being held under guard. he is said to be in stable and serious condition. that is step right below critical condition. critical is when your life is in danger. his life is not but they are making darn sure no one gets in to talk to him and no one but no one harms him. more after this.

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>>. >> neil: eric shawn outside the hospital where everybody is following a certain patient's recovery. eric? >> reporter: v he is very luckily to be alive. apparently shot in a carjacking chase. he was on run for 20 hours

bleeding when he was hiding in the boat. he is expected here to survive. we are told he is serious but stable condition. he has wound in his head and neck area. he is expected to be charged by the feds with terrorism and by the state with state murder charges. we were told when he was brought in, he lost a lot of blood and very weak. we expect a very special high value suspect humanity oont to try and question him at some point. the federal defenders office in boston meanwhile, have agreed to represent him. there could be problems with the interrogation as you have been reporting. i want to know a lot more answers about him and his brother, if they did, indeed, potentially have any help. who supported them and if they allegedly planned anything else. right now, he is under doctor's care and his life saved by authorities. back to you.

>> neil: to a guy who prosecuted the shoe bomber, mike sullivan and former u.s. attorney. what do you think, mike? >> sounds like they are getting ready to charge him. hopefully they are going through a thoughtful process to determine whether or not designating him as an enemy combatant would not enhance national security or national interests. that is the reason why you are going to charge him in the federal district court. hopefully they have gone through that analysis to determine whether or not there is any value or benefit in terms of designating him as an enemy combatant. >> neil: and defer to your legal ease but i think i qualify as an ex pevtd -- serious, i'm curious when the justice department is about to announce charges, by definition they are certainly not going to be treating him as an enemy combatant. is that a given? >> clearly.

otherwise there would be no reason to charge him. so they must have made a determination they will charge him federally and satisfy the federal interests. >> neil: what happens then if the state of massachusetts filed separate murder or what other charges. does that complicate the federal case or what? >> not at all. the case will likely proceed to the federal district court. the federal sister first. the state will obviously have their own independent charges. based on the results of the federal case, they may end up dismissing the state charges at the end of the day. if the state interests are satisfied as a result of charges in convictions, the state interest may be satisfied as a result of the federal case. >> neil: i thank you very much for joining us. mike sullivan.

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>>. >> neil: the sox won, red sox finally playing. the game was delayed and how

people expressioned themselves at fenway park today. they came from behind. they were trailing 3-1. the bottom of the eighth they ended up winning 4-3. for a city that needs that, they got. that good for them. meanwhile, after a rocky week on the dow dick grasso, you know we've had a bumpy week this week. there are a lot of factors but a concern that if this had dragged on, a pal would weigh on the economy. what do you think about the markets? >> i think the market had a predictable bump based not so much on the terrorist attacks in boston, but as you say, neil, on some disappointing earnings and some earnings that top line

growing from business standpoint were somewhere less than expected. >> neil: it was punctuated by things looked good, then the markets moved up a little bit. when they seemed to be getting worse, a manhunt going on, market looked worse. this wasn't the dominating the theme but it did punctuate the week. what now? >> i think now we return to a fundamental reflection of where the u.s. economy is, where u.s. companies are both from a domestic and from a global standpoint. when you look around the world, neil, america looks like the place investment dollars want to be. if you take a lesson, take a cue from what happened after the attack in new york on 9/11, we had a rocky start. the market performed over the course of the next 12 months

beautifully. >> neil: four trading days we lost? >> we had some tough days after the resumption of trading, but if you look out a year following you look out two or three years following, we did just fine. what 9/11 and what the attack in boston reminds us of is that we're at a war with ideologues who really want to inflict pain on our way of life but everyone who has been against america has lost. they lost after 9/11. they will lose after boston. stay with the american scene and you will do just fine. >> neil: dick, maybe if the two brothers were connected to the i had logs. we'll see. i told you about the end of that boston game. here is how it started.

[ cheers and applause ] >> neil: all right. just feeling good. father, good to see you. we've had to be on best behavior with the father. we have to watch our language and everything else. father, what do you think everything this week how people have held up this week. >> this is week where evil interrupted our lives and erupted into the national scene. it did remind me of 9/11. evil acts committed by people have very serious effects. when faced with evil, people turn back to god. god is the source of good and love. the prayer service at cathedral in boston was a prime example of that. the only solution to evil is god. the only solution for us is to

be close to god when evil comes into our lives. >> neil: why does god let evil come into a our lives? >> he tells us to do good. >> neil: but he aren't vaccines with a miracle or two? >> thank god. well, you noe we don't know the whole story what could have happened or he allowed our authorities to get these people. that was good. >> neil: i do sense out of the lot of folks of all faiths that between the events in boston, the explosions that killed people and school snoogh connecticut and shootings before that, you don't have to be paranoid to feel paranoid. you don't have to sent that things are turning evil? >> right.

the great lesson i get out of this, we have to teach people not to hate each other. the prime factor from disasters that help ha nonprofit industrial accidents. in these human caused events was motivated by hatred. any time someone takes a false religious teaching and you can kill people indiscriminately that opens up this whole mess with terrorism. we have to teach religion and do not kill people. >> neil: how would you as a good man of your faith responded to those that view their god as allowing, endorsing, in fact ordering murder? >> i would say you are mistaken. that is not what religion teaches. it goes against natural law. >> neil: would you kill them or turn the other cheek? >> i wouldn't kill them, if they try to come after us, i would send the army what it has to do

to stop evil or erupting into our society. we have a right of self-defense. but the greatest self-defense is society based on love of neighbor. that is really what we need. too many people trivialize religion and say prayers when bad things happen. we have to pray everyday and we have to teach people godly way of life. that means do not treat other people as worthy of hatred. even if you disagree with them other if you are not in accord with them on certain things. >> neil: farther gerald, thanks very much. i'm glad you stopped by. when we come back, to the father's point, these two brothers, they didn't start out bad. by all indications, when they first came to this country, they were pretty good kids. what happened? particularly in the case of the older. last two years, what abyss did

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>>. >> neil: have you ever wondered what happened to these brothers. they came to this country and the parents wanted to pursue the american dream like so many immigrants. something happened very bad. they started out straight "a" students and very social and well-liked. what happened? middle east expert, she might have some ideas. what do you think? >> we don't know what happened. just like the aftermath of 9/11 we thought that our airports and airlines and our skies were vulnerable. now, we finally have a wake-up call. this is something that

counterterrorism experts have been pointing for quite a while. there is a radicalization on campuses. >> neil: it occurs because the chin of immigrants that come here. >> there could be a number of ways of looking at it. whether the radicalization happens on campus among students and the muslim student groups. in america we have a lot of speakers that are not vetted that come and speak on college campuses. we have that on the u.c. system in california. who are these students that are coming? are they being radicalized at home and coming on our dime and giving them scholarships. why isn't there a checklist? >> neil: what should colleges be monitoring? >> why don't have evaluations on these students. check on them. in the case of two brothers they were called out by the russian government. we just let it go. he was called out and flagged

once, why wasn't he monitored further. >> neil: the younger brother looks like every other college kid. shortly of the bombings he was hanging out with the soccer team and everyone else. he was very good student. >> these kids are young. we have to realize in the world of counterterrorism that these influence, whether someone was influencing them or hezbollah or the jihad groups they are learning how to pander to the younger generation. >> neil: in this country -- >> we have the first amendment meaning we can monitor youtube and twitter and facebook as much as we like. >> neil: you could have monitored the younger comments and he was getting increasingly agitated. >> we can look back and say that happened. once we saw those comments, this is dangerous and at rick child, we would not be able to.

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>> i admit it, you know the problem with being fox's money

guy, resident geek? sometimes in my very ordered world of numbers, i get lost when life throws me a curve ball. i even have guests who use charts and tables. tell you how if you save this amount of money over this amount of years you'll be set for life. unless your life sudden lends. or someone you love and for someone you've been saving is suddenly gone. i guess what's gotten me waxing not so poetic is an imfrom this week that for me, i brought up this morning, remains the most tragic of the week. this little boy watching a marathon waiting for his dad to finish and with his mom and his sister at his side, eight-year-old martin richard was seconds away from dying when this image was caught. his sister, seconds away from losing a leg. his mom, seconds away from shrapnel in her brain. his family happy in the moment before the moment was gone, like that. family at a race, part of the human race. not all that different from so

many families, my own, your own, caught up in the rat race. in the rush to get by and save whatever we can, college down the road, maybe for retirement, way down the road. until there is a stop in that road. maybe an explosion in that road, like the one that went often in boston, or the one that killed 14 in texas. suddenly the road is gone and that map i drew is meaningless. my fancy charts make me look like a fat chump. so caught up in dollars and cents that i cannot fathom things senseless, like this week, that moment when all the money got to dos in life can't prepare you fort got yous in life. you know, i bet you those families who lost loved ones in boston and texas are too busy planning funerals to from the time about finances. those injured too busy taking stock than buying stock. as it should be, a lesson to me.

so take it from a money guy. life is about a lot more than money, guys. i know, i know, trite. i'm not saying you shouldn't hang on to your money tonight. i am saying maybe you should hang on to your loved ones, the things that matter tighter. after all, one is about price, the rest is priceless. it's what binds us all together on this planet. our time together on this planet and that you never know the day or the hour you will leave this planet. so if you'll risk take my in this case excel dimed advice, keep saving those nickels and dimes. just make sure you're treasuring each day because i have never, ever, ever, ever heard someone whose lost a loved one ever, ever regret spending too much money on things that didn't matter. just that they wish they had simply spent more time with someone who did matter. and they would give all the money in the world just to have them